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[detective conan] hakuba saguru

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[Once again, there's a disgruntled, bloodied Hakuba with bloody holes in his clothing grumping downstairs in the Inn.]

[Oh, he's got spare clothes that aren't mauled, he's just not going to worry about them at the moment.]

[If anyone saw him last time, it looks like his impalement this time was even MORE excessive.]

[Stupid Pyramid Head. Stupid angel.]

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...And ripping apart the logic, finding holes, and taking apart the ideas that form their "magic".

Precisely.

The thing is, they can greatly alter our perceptions. They work like Schrödinger's cat, showing us what's 'possibly' in the box. And with that, they can alter the serious player's perceptions greatly. But there is always hints to the truth within that possible truth.

I suppose the question then is, how does one go about taking apart the possible truth before they end up with massive internal damage and blood loss? [Slight sarcasm. Him, starting to dislike impalement? Naah.]

[You should dislike impalement.]

It's simple. You have to challenge them outright.

Once you're in a duel with them, you can survive until one of you has stopped thinking. After all, if you're aiming to disprove their magic, then it's not really there to hurt you, now is it?

[...one must wonder how he KNOWS all this. Because no way Beato just told him.]

[he has an odd snort at that.] Disprove the weapon's existence, and the harm it does is disproven as well. [Well, some things are easily said, but much harder to train your mind to do. :| ]

...This could also be used to help Erika, couldn't it.

Correct. I was taking things just a bit too literally before my eyes. Due to that, I could not see the real truth. In the end, it's all a trick, a show, to the point where your mind is tricked into believing it until you see a way out of it.

It could.

The problem is, she wants to believe in magic.

That could cut more than one way. It's trickery, but there's a mechanism at work that's making it seem real, albeit an incredibly fragile mechanism. The "magic" is the trick of making the ideas seem real enough to effect reality for as long as they're allowed to exist unchallenged; either way, it really is entirely a case where it has the power over you that you allow.

There is, but it's best not to go for that mechanism. We're not capable of taking out the machine. Only the power for it, which is their own minds.

It will take making her believe she is not furniture to really help her.

That would be the idea; I didn't mean that we have any means of altering the mechanism it works under - but being aware of it changes the playing field. It may be possible to convince her to change some ideas - like being "furniture" - maybe even get her to realize how fragile the structure is, by taking a sideways route.
She could get there without "not believing in magic" per se - she just needs to change her idea of what "magic" is.

...she might have that idea in her head.

It just takes getting her to truly believe it. But it'd be nice if we could get rid of her fear of Bernkastel as a witch as well. But baby steps are good.

If her definition can be shifted so she has some understanding of the weaknesses of the mechanisms, that might take away that fear of Berkastel - which is most of Bernkastel's power over her; as long as she's afraid, she isn't stopping to think about how she can shake off that power, or how ephemeral it is.

Hmmm, I think I can do something for that.

[Pauses.] By the way, keep in mind Bernkastel has probably ordered her to spy on us. Bernkastel's been too quiet about us taking hr.

[He gives that a small snort.] Of course. Not only keep an eye on what we're up to, but quietly reinforce her own power; make Erika think she's only around us because Bernkastel is allowing it, and if she can use Erika to destroy us, that would reinforce the idea that Erika can't turn to outside help.

That it does.

How much does she trust you? Does she think of you as a person whose 'helped' her?

...

I'm not sure.

I've tried, and I was standing by her when Bernkastel and Lambda killed us - I've thrown in vouching for her reality, but I don't know how much she was thinking about at the time, and there wasn't much I could do, with how little I knew.

...yeah. It'll probably have helped.

But it's still probably me she'd trust more for any really confusing things. Keep working to befriend her some more.

She's a good girl. She really does deserve a chance.

She does, and I don't mind risking whatever Bernkastel's plotting to try to help her; she deserves a chance, and needs people to help her find it, and show her that there is more to life than what she's been given.

Yes.

Though be careful. She's rather arrogant and prideful.

I think I've been having as easy a time of it so far because of the kid thing. People aren't as defensive with an eight year old.

[Think carefully. Have you ever seen Saguru pull his usual smug bastard routine in the direction of a female? Ever? ~~Well okay technically he did at Beatrice once but that was him being paranoid and recognizing that she was a witch and therefore Incredibly Dangerous.~~]

I will be - but it shouldn't be too hard, as long as I treat her as a proper lady, right? [You can feel free to remember and cringe/eyetwitch at memories of past dealings with Saguru now.]

[The gentleman thing can rub tsunderes the wrong way, depending. Just being cautious.]

...just be careful. She had a bad relationship, so too flirty and she might dislike you.

I'll be careful. [Depends on how long it takes her to realize that he's kind of a sucker in situations like that, he just hasn't realized it yet.]

[Pauses.]

...you can recognize when you're flirty, right?

... Yes?

....did you flirt with Ran?

....No?

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DON'T BELIEVE HIM.

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